Thursday, April 25, 2024

Obedient Church of God: You Ministers Have Made Yourselves Vomit Material And Other Craziness

 


It has been some time since I have heard anything from the Obedient Church of God. They almost make Bob Thiel look normal.

There is nothing normal about this group, in fact, they are crazier than Thiel, Pack, Flurry, and Weinland combined!

Notice their calendar for April 2024 above and look at April 23. Apparently, you were supposed to eat Bread, lamb, horseradish and drink wine 10 minutes before sundown on that day. After all, the Israelites hastily left Egypt in 10 minutes and so shouldn't you!




For the next several days, you must examine "your year's dedication". All that is good if you survive the attack on the U.S. and Canada that might be happening.

The problem exists that this only works IF you start keeping these days on the CORRECT day! Only the Obedient Church of God knows teh correct day. Eat your heart out Bob Thiel! Everyone knows more than you do. Ha! Ha!


They have an absolute conniption over the International Dateline. They claim COG ministers who use the IDL to calculate make members work on the Sabbath, particularly in Australia and New Zealand.


They do go on to make a rather accurate statement about today's Church of God ministry and leaders.



That pretty much sums up the current ministry and leadership of the COG. God has vomited them out.

They have a stern warning to all disobedient Church of God ministers and leaders:



Basics To “Do”:

Christianity 101

If “YOU” want to Be a Christian

you “MUST”

walk in the footsteps of Jesus/Yeshua

To do this you “MUST” LIVE

“THE WAY”

= Live as Jesus and all the Disciples, and Paul did,

that Jesus/Yeshua set the Example of

How To Live

The following check list is of Christianity Basics of

what Jesus did

= Christian Checklist “Simplified” for you Do and Do not

1.) Do use Crescent Moons to get God’s “TIME” of Worship right, as the starting point. 

2.) Then set/start the New Year Abib 1 on the CORRECT day which is at the 1st Crescent 

3.) Count to the 15th to celebrate Passover, (not the same as The Last Supper).

4.) Have 1 minute of silence “after” you take the Bread, and after you take the Wine.

5.) Eat the Passover main meal “in Haste”= not a leisurely dinner.

6.) Eat the Passover main meal standing, with a walking stick/staff, and traveling clothes on. 

7.) Do not leave the Passover Seder until daybreak. Stay up, “Watch and Pray”.

8.) Burn any leftover food from the Passover elements, and Passover Supper.

9.) Start the Pentecost count from the 1st Holy Day inside the 7 days of Unleavened Bread. 10.) Count the 49 days +1 .

11.) Use the visible Crescent Moon to start each month.

12.) Only sight the Crescent Moon with the naked eye.

13.) Only sight the Crescent Moon from Jerusalem.

14.) Set “ALL” your Holy Day counts using only the Crescent Moon.

15.) Celebrate “ALL” the 7 Feasts of The Lord.

16.) Dwell temporarily outside your home for 7 days during The Feast of Tabernacles/Huts

17.) Recognize that there are 3 Pilgrimage Feasts per year. Go to Headquarters (if able) on Passover/Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, & Tabernacles.

18.) Know the approximate time of Christ return is 5777/2017-2018.

19.) Stand up when you sing Hymns to God.

20.) Face the North Heavens, or to Jerusalem (if possible) when singing praises to God. 21.) Wear your best clothes, shoes shined, bathed and clean undergarments before God.

The Gate/Road is Straight and Narrow, and there be “few” that find it . Mat 7:14




Wednesday, April 24, 2024

Samuel Martin: Ending Corporal Punishment Of Children



One of the sad legacies of Armstrongism was the oftentimes violent methods of corporal punishment used upon church children and teens. The Mt Pocono Feast site in its early years almost was shut down because of the beating of children. Members of the public who came to check out the weird church heard and witnessed parents beating their kids in the official Spanking Tent.

The minister we had in Cincinnati, Ohio (Carn Catherwood) said that a child must get 20 hard swats with a thick paddle and that he expected to hear them crying afterward. He also instructed the local Spokesman Club to sell 1-inch thick paddles with holes drilled in it to cut down wind resistance. They did this as a fundraiser. Imagine raising money off beating children! 

Samuel Martin. some of the late Earnest Martin has been on a decades-long crusade to end corporal punishment of children. 

This is his latest book:


STRATEGIES TO EMPOWER CHRISTIAN FAMILIES CONCERNING ENDING THE CORPORAL PUNISHMENT OF CHILDREN: 
 
DEALING WITH OPPOSITION FROM SPOUSES AND EXTENDED FAMILIES CONCERNING THE SUBJECT OF SPANKING CHILDREN

The subject of corporal punishment (spanking/smacking) is one which causes serious challenges in families especially when one spouse is in favor of spanking/smacking, while the other is not. 
 
This issue creates serious tension between husbands and wives and in extended families and communities who pressure parents to spank/smack their children. 
 
Christian families who choose not to spank may face loneliness, isolation and serious opposition to their decision to pursue peaceful parenting. 
 
In some families, where spanking/smacking has been taking place for generations, the choice not to spank/smack by one of the parents may create situations in a marriage where major tension exists surrounding the subject of spanking/smacking. 
 
This research study seeks to empower Christian spouses who have taken the often difficult decision not to spank/smack to provide them with simple Bible based tools to engage their spouses, extended families and communities thoughtfully concerning this most difficult subject. 
 
This research study delves into God's Word in a deep but practical way to provide those in favor of peaceful parenting with Bible based teachings to help them engage with those around them who still believe in spanking/smacking. 
 
This research study is based on almost 20 years of feedback that the author has received from scores of Christian families who have decided on a new path for their parenting journey that seeks to leave the experience of spanking/smacking behind. 
 
The research study provides practical specific Bible based information to help Christian families engage the subject of spanking/smacking in a mature and thoughtful way with the goal of growing peace and love in our homes.

Martin's previous books: 

























The Torah: Who Was It For?








Torah Was for ISRAEL!


The Armstrong Churches of God, like the Christian Pharisees of the First Century, have always taught that Gentile Christians are obligated to obey some of the precepts of Torah. A few days ago, on Banned by HWA, Scout wrote a post entitled Notes on the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15. In it, he made clear that the WHOLE Church (including the Jewish part of it) decided that believers would NOT be required to adhere to the tenets of the Old Covenant - Torah. Scout went on to make the point that this did NOT mean that the Church was discarding Torah, just that it wasn't a pathway to salvation under the New Covenant. Armstrongists, however, insist that Christians can lose their salvation by failing to observe some of the laws of Torah (like those related to Sabbaths and Holy Days).

In my previous post on this topic (Was Torah for Everyone?), I said that "what is offered here is only a FRACTION of the many passages contained in Torah which make very clear that Torah was intended for the people of Israel." In making that statement, I was on very solid ground. To demonstrate the truth of that statement, and because it is so important for Christians to understand that we are operating under a different iteration of God's Law, I have decided to include a few more of the Scriptures which make very clear that Torah was intended for the people of Israel.

In the book of Leviticus, we read that God told the Israelites that he had separated them from the other peoples of the earth (Leviticus 20:24, 26). In the original Hebrew, the sense is that they were severed from other nations and people. They were to be clearly different from other peoples, and it wasn't just male circumcision which delineated that difference. The Sabbath was also a sign between them and God which distinguished them from all other people (Exodus 31:13, 17). Moreover, there were a number of other things that were to distinguish them from the Gentile nations surrounding them. For instance, in the book of Deuteronomy, we read: "You are the sons of the Lord your God. You shall not cut yourselves or make any baldness on your foreheads for the dead. For you are a people holy to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a people for his treasured possession, out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth. You shall not eat any abomination. These are the animals you may eat: the ox, the sheep, the goat, the deer, the gazelle, the roebuck, the wild goat, the ibex, the antelope, and the mountain sheep. Every animal that parts the hoof and has the hoof cloven in two and chews the cud, among the animals, you may eat." (Deuteronomy 14:1-6, ESV) There were even regulations about how they were to cut their hair, and what kinds of fabrics they were to wear! All of these things distinguished them from the Gentile nations.

Over and over again, the commandments of Torah were addressed to the children of Israel and reiterated throughout that these instructions were intended to distinguish them from the nations which surrounded them. Near the end of the book of Leviticus, we read: "These are the statutes and rules and laws that the Lord made between himself and the people of Israel through Moses on Mount Sinai." (Leviticus 26:46, ESV) Indeed, later, in the book of Deuteronomy, we read: "When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord your God, for these nations, which you are about to dispossess, listen to fortune-tellers and to diviners. But as for you, the Lord your God has not allowed you to do this." (Deuteronomy 18:9-14, ESV) Clearly, God intended through Torah for the Israelites to be different from the Gentile peoples which they were displacing (and would be surrounded by) in every aspect of their lives!

Hence, once again, the Armstrongist narrative about Torah does NOT fit. We see that God clearly intended this iteration of his law for the people of Israel. Indeed, we have seen that the commandments of Torah were meant to distinguish them from the other peoples of the world. Armstrongists love to point out that Christ and his disciples kept Torah, but they completely ignore the fact that they were ALL Jews! Paul was also a devout Jew. Moreover, it was necessary that Christ observe the commandments of Torah to fulfill the Law and make his sacrifice of himself efficacious for securing our salvation! The PLAIN TRUTH is that Torah was never intended for Gentiles, or the Church which Christ founded. Christ fulfilled Torah for Israel and instituted a new iteration of God's Law for Christians (based on the same principles that were the basis for Torah - love for God and each other). Thus, for those who have accepted Christ's sacrifice and received God's Holy Spirit, their lives will reflect obedience to Christ's iteration of God's Law.