Friday, April 7, 2017

Other COG Ministers Are Incapable of Critiquing Any Of My Revelations Due To My Superior Knowledge



Dave Pack has published a timeline of events that he claims will occur in world history over the next few years.  It gets into detail about his "christ" coming for his first coming where he and the Restored Church of God members will reign supreme before he heads off to Jerusalem.  Dave is so sure of himself that no Church of God minister in any of the splinter groups can ever prove him wrong.  Pack's knowledge reigns supreme.  There is such a gap between their lowly thinking and his elevated status as God's right hand man that they can never cross that divide.

Don’t look for one minister in any of your congregations to be aware of the first 90 points. However sincere, because they were not in the only place where they were revealed, they are incapable of critiquing them with even remotely helpful comments. This is not to speak ill of them, but rather to describe the gap between those who have heard 140 hours of careful, detailed explanation and those who have not!

Ron Weinland's "Preaching the Kingdom" cult sinks further and further into madness




Ever since Ron Weinland and his batty wife Laura scammed his church members and the United States Government, he has been struggling to keep his cult in tact.  After he was released from prison he and his second witless witness wife have been traveling the U.S. visiting their rapidly dwindling flocks, all in an attempt to keep the money flowing in.

All of his prophecies are failing, his prediction have proven to be lies and yet he has deluded people still following him and giving him money so that he, his wife Laura, his money laundering daughter Audry and and his son can live on the tithes and offerings of gullible members.

His failures have led to 37 of his ministers leaving.


First of all Ron is such a LIAR. He said:
How many are going to be there at the return of Jesus Christ regardless of when it is, which I still believe is 2019? With all of my being, I do. But I believed the same about 2012.
HE NEVER BELIEVED CHRIST WAS RETURNING IN 2012. If that was the case why did he spend 100’s of thousands of dollars of the church’s money to have lawyers defend him on a trial that would have started AFTER May of 2012. Where was his faith. He shouldn’t have needed lawyers or the need to defend himself if Christ was to return before his trial. explain that one ron
Secondly:
(Anyway, the most staggering fact in the midst of the ordinations that have been in the Church of God—PKG—37 have been disfellowshipped. 37 ministers in the Church of God—PKG are no longer in God’s Church. That’s incredible! That’s mind boggling. There are 37 who did not remain faithful to God and Jesus Christ, to God’s government, and to me as God’s apostle, but that’s minor compared to what they actually did, not being faithful to God Almighty and Jesus Christ. There are 37 who turned against God’s Church and against God’s people. Awesome! Incredible, such numbers. Blows the mind. All the way from associate elder to evangelist. All the way through.)
AGAIN HALF TRUTHS. Most of those ordained left that organization only to be disfellowhipped because the left. They were not PUT OUT THEY WALKED OUT. THEY DID NOT LEAVE GOD’S CHURCH BUT RON AND LAURA’S CULT OF SATAN.
thirdly:
So we have to be careful how we speak and how we talk about one another, but I’ll tell you what, if it’s one of God’s ministers you’d better be extra careful and on guard because if you’re loose there you’re going to be far looser in how you talk about one another in the Body of Christ. That’s the point. If we can’t be stirred, moved, and motivated, and more on guard when it’s God’s apostle, or when it’s one of God’s prophets, or if it’s one of God’s evangelists, or one of God’s senior pastors, then I can guarantee you, you can take that to the bank, you can know that it’s far freer when it’s about one another in the Body of Christ. That’s a great tell tale sign right there. So I hear individuals that I know are not on guard against speaking out about something in a negative way. It doesn’t even have to be a matter of accusation. It can be just in a bad way or not a decent or respectful way because of the office or because of the person. It is a fearful thing because the person is in the Body of Christ and is not afraid to talk about somebody else. I fear that kind of thing, brethren. I always have, and to do otherwise is a giant mistake. I hope and pray you understand what I’m saying. Because, see, these things still go on to this day. 

What a joke. It is Laura who is the biggest gossiper in the cult. Why doesn’t he address her mouth as an example of what not to say. And the reason tongue’s are wagging is that people see what is going on in the lives of those ordained and the sins going on in the cult that are not being addressed. But if you are liked by the cult leaders you can’t do any wrong and Ron help you if you try to speak up.
They are just pissed off that they couldn’t control the situation so they lashed out to make it look bad for those that saw the truth and had to guts to leave. they disafellowhipment was put in place to keep members from reaching out and possible finding out the truth. That is why they are keep off facebook and this site. Ron is afraid of the truth. That is why not one member was allowed to attend the trial. Because the truth did come out and it did not set him free.
IN ALL REALITY THOSE THAT GET DISFELLOWHIPPED ARE TRULY THE ONES THAT ARE BLESSED.

Dennis Rohan and how he almost drug the Church of God into a Middle East War



Some of my old friends in what was the Radio Church of God, which was later renamed the Worldwide Church of God, will remember well enough Denis Michael Rohan who in 1969 brought their cult religion (and Australia) into international notoriety when he started a fire in the Al Aqsa mosque in order to hurry up apocalyptic end-time events.


Australian Radio National has what looks like a fairly comprehensive archive of interviews, videos, images, literature, court proceedings about Denis Rohan and what can lead a person to do such a thing. See their Background Briefing archive Rohan and the Road to the Apocalypse.


I suspect members of the Herbert Armstrong cult (Radio Church of God) at the time were more focussed on what the publicity meant for them - cultic fear of persecution and all that - to have noticed that this one time one person crazy event had a profound significance on Arab politics vis a vis the State of Israel. This is discussed in the Background Briefing archive. It appears that the threat of the destruction of this mosque actually catalyzed a united front on the part of the Arab states that not even the 1967 war only two years earlier had failed to accomplish.
One interesting point that emerged (new to me at any rate) was the notion of the Jerusalem Syndrome. Apparently (unsurprisingly) there is something about just being in the vicinity of Jerusalem that can activate unstable mental tendencies in some.
There's an interesting comment by Tel Aviv Professor of Religion and expert on the Jerusalem Syndrome, Alexander Van Der Haven, at the end of a program interview:
You can either use religious language to make people more extreme, make people jihadists, or you can try to in the case of Islam, you can try to emphasise more moderate beliefs in the Qu'ran, more moderate traditions. So this is the very interesting thing of religion, that people tend to regard religious beliefs as very absolute, they mean one specific thing. But in reality you can do many different things with it. Somebody might have been able to convince Denis Rohan that that you shouldn't act upon your beliefs, this is something allegorical, instead you should pick flowers in this and this garden , and one might have been able to convince him. I think what you can learn from these cases, religion is very flexible, it can lead to the most aggressive destructive behaviour and it can also lead to more quietistic behaviour. The Jerusalem Syndrome is an instance of people who act in a very strange way on certain religious discourses and stories, which of course religion has, especially in Christianity, you have the Book of Revelation, in Judaism you have this emphasis on the Temple and the hope for the restoration of the Temple. So our religious scriptures offer these extreme possibilities. I think basically you can manipulate these for the good and for the worst.
It appears Rohan was converted to the beliefs of the Radio Church of God by well-meaning members while he was in a mental institution. Rohan came to see himself as The Branch prophesied to become king over Jerusalem - partly as a result of a message given from the "Rowan tree" outside the window of his mental institution room.
I seem to recall a rumour that he also found his name in the Bible as Nahor, which of course was the Hebrew right to left reading of Rohan. 
The interesting potentials that can arise from our propensity to look for and find patterns around us! 
Background Briefing also includes an interesting article by Scott Lupo, University of Nevada, describing one of the processes by which Armstrong persuaded many to join his church. 
No doubt Rohan found religion helped him become an outwardly healthy person in many ways, giving him a sense of purpose in life. But like so many things dear to humans, it is also a two-edged sword.


Thursday, April 6, 2017

Prove All Things---Believe it---Hold on to it---How?



Remember back in the day when you may have first started attending the Worldwide Church of God or along the way met other members in various other WCG congregations or at the Feast of Tabernacles and you were asked, "So....How did YOU come into the truth?"

The answer was usually a simple story of relating to driving late at night and hearing the World Tomorrow Broadcast or picking up a copy of the Plain Truth at a Newstand.  Some few may have been convinced by a coworker or a family member.  But it was a simple process.  One hears, one likes the message, one believes.

We all claimed, in our minds, that we searched out the matter and "studied" to see if these things be so.  We read the Bible, we compared scriptures Old and New.  We compared what the Bible said with what we were told it said by our previous religious affiliations and found them wanting. We proof texted our way through the scriptures and finally ended up "proving all things and holding fast to that which was good."   We were set. Nothing new to learn and if there was, it had to be presented by the fearful and humble to the high and lofty for approval.  Truth was dribble down theology.  Right up to the end, Truth had to be approved by leadership.  It had to be delivered by leadership in the form of Apostles and Evangelists and even the Evangelists had to get the OK from the Apostles.

On top of all that, we'd never consider that the Bible itself was anything less than "God breathed."  Every quote, every person, every story, every event, every promise and every threat for not believing it were absolutely immutable and exactly how it all happened in history, time and space. To question is to lose faith and to doubt or notice other explanations or problems in text or leadership is scoffing according to the scriptures.  It is also being twice dead when once will do.  

In RCG, you get your truth from David C Pack who is an authoritarian mere Bible reader know it all except he doesn't. There is a price to pay if you don't get your truth and prove all things with his approval.

In PCG you get your truth from Gerald Flurry who is an authoritarian mere Bible reader know it all except he doesn't. There is a price to pay if you don't get your truth and prove all things with his approval.

In  all the slivers run by theologically challenged farmers all outstanding in their field and in their minds, truth is pronounced, dreamed and received from God.  I recall my first "What the hell?" feeling when RCM said in freshman Bible "There is God, then Christ, then Herbert W Armstrong, Garner Ted Armstrong, myself and other leading (not to be named) Evangelists ...."   I chuckled not knowing chuckling was not allowed in RCM's presence.

These not only don't know how to actually view the Bible, aren't theologically and professionally educated but they also can't imagine there is a view different from the ones they come up with. .

And now look at them...  


Too soon old, Too late Schmart


The Scientific Method

"Sit down before fact as a little child, be prepared to give up every preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abysses nature leads, or you shall learn nothing. I have only begun to learn content and peace of mind since I have resolved at all risks to do this.”

Thomas Huxley

























Or....

     "Trust and Obey for there's no other way to be happy in Jesus, but to trust and obey."?
             
             "So we all can agree, not disagree and be  happy"?



Does this sound like "prove me now herewith" or any real reason to believe anything as important as "What's it all about?"